Wilber y Teasdale.

Wilber (el calvo) con Teasdale.

"VR: Some entries in the book One Taste (your personal journals) describe your direct realizations of 'witness' and 'nondual' transpersonal states of consciousness. Pretty far out considering these higher states are only accessed by an infinitesimal percentage of the worlds population. Did you receive any positive recognition in regard to this from supporters of your work, or conversely any negative criticism e.g. arrogant know-it-all type convinced of his own enlightenment? How has being in these states affected your work? And have these realizations stabilized, resulting in 'your center of gravity' being permanently identified with at least some sort of trans-ego state?

KW: No, these realizations have not permanently stabilized. They were plateau experiences: more than temporary peak experiences but less than permanent waves. I simply gave a direct description of these states as they arose, and people can decide for themselves what to make of them. Positive recognition? Yes, especially from many spiritual teachers who had themselves tasted those states and directly recognized them. Negative criticism? Always; many people resent these things enormously, and some feel that any description of what is happening in your case must necessarily be arrogant. But it simply is what it is.

VR: The final chapters of nearly all your books are on awakening to nondual 'enlightened' consciousness, recommending meditation for the final release. Currently, 'nondual' authors dominate our sales. Rather than recommend serious transformative practices most of these guys tend to focus only on the final re- lease, ecstatically informing us lesser mortals about the bliss of 'waking up now'. By reducing everything to a nondual 'flatland' and ignoring levels of development are they giving license for more new age Boomeritis?

KW: Well, I'm sorry to say that is often the result. I try to end with an evocation of ever-present nondual awareness, but that is always set in the context of needing integral practice to stabilize the awareness, moving it from peak to plateau to permanent. But just giving people hits of nonduality is like doing a drive-by shooting. It leaves people helpless as to how to develop the capacity in consciousness to contain this awareness in an ongoing fashion, so they often end up depressed and dejected, unfortunately."